The right to develop nuclear energy
MARGARET WARNER: As she
washes her son's grave nearby, Masoomeh Sepassi also seems
untroubled by the mounting tension.
MASOOMEH SEPASSI, Iranian Citizen
(through translator): Our government is trying to prevent a
war, but they can't prevent the Americans from starting one.
If that happens, God is behind us and will support us.
MARGARET WARNER: With more than 70
percent of the population under 32, there are millions more
young Iranian men like the son she lost.
MASOOMEH SEPASSI (through translator):
They are all soldiers. If there is a war, they are all
ready. You see him, wearing that uniform? He wears that
because he likes that.
MARGARET WARNER: We heard similar
words of resolve in the maze of alleys and stalls of
Tehran's main bazaar.
Economic sanctions would hurt
appliance dealer Mohammad Heddayati's business, because he
would have to buy his European brands from middlemen. But he
says Iran is entitled to develop its own nuclear technology,
and should not back down.
MOHAMMAD HEDDAYATI, Market Trader
(through translator): War has a high cost for all countries,
and I think Iranians are not after war, contrary to the
image of us that is portrayed around the world. We are
reasonable and calm people, as long as we are not bullied.
But, when we are forced to do something, we will do anything
to stand up against that, even if we don't have the
resources.
MARGARET WARNER: In his first year in
office, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has tapped
that sense of national pride on the nuclear issue.
MOHAMMAD ATRIANFAR, Publisher, Shargh
Newspaper (through translator): People have been hearing
these things about having the right to have or to possess
this capability. And, naturally, if you ask an Iranian
whether you want this right or not, they would say they do
want it. But if you ask, though, "What is nuclear energy?"
they might not be able to tell you what it is.
MARGARET WARNER: Mohammad Atrianfar is
publisher of Tehran's leading reformist newspaper, Shargh.
Though he's critical of the government on many issues, even
he has some sympathy for the official position on the
nuclear one. He doesn't even discount the prospect of Iran
having a nuclear weapon one day, something the Iranian
government denies pursuing.
MOHAMMAD ATRIANFAR (through
translator): As an Iranian, regardless of my political
position, as the citizen of Iran, if the capability of my
country reaches a level that we can have the usage of
nuclear energy, whether it's for energy or a weapon, I feel
right to answer the question, what's the difference between
me and a typical Frenchman or a Pakistani man? Why should
they have that capability, and why not us?
Iran and the
rest of the world
MARGARET WARNER: But Iran
also has to get along in the world, he says, and President
Ahmadinejad is making that exceedingly difficult with his
hostile rhetoric against Israel, the United States, and the
United Nations.
MOHAMMAD ATRIANFAR (through
translator): The biggest problem that the U.S. has is that
it cannot trust the current government of Iran.
MARGARET WARNER: Why?
MOHAMMAD ATRIANFAR (through
translator): Because of radical slogans, the anti-West,
anti-Zionist, anti-Israeli slogans, and the issues of
Lebanon, and so on, so forth. This does not reflect the
general public opinion. I don't think the nation agrees with
these harsh, extreme slogans.
MARGARET WARNER: Atrianfar is
reflecting the views of a sizable part of the younger
generation, which was not shaped by the ideological fervor
of the 1979 revolution, nor the eight-year Iran-Iraq War
that followed.
But power rests firmly in the hands of
conservative Islamic clerics and middle-aged
revolutionaries, like Hossein Shariatmadari. He's the editor
of the hard-line newspaper Kayhan, named to the job by
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, the highest authority
under Iran's system of clerical rule.
He says, the U.S. precondition that
Iran freeze uranium enrichment before talks is a
non-starter.
HOSSEIN SHARIATMADARI, Editor, Kayhan
Newspaper (through translator): The precondition imposed
mean that, already, beforehand, the result of the
negotiation has been announced. We are not going to give in
to the bullying, because, if we were going to give in to
that kind of bullying, we would not have started our
revolution. From the very beginning of the revolution, we
have been confronting the United States.
MARGARET WARNER: He disputes
Washington's argument that Iran forfeited its right to a
peaceful nuclear program under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation
Treaty, because it deceived the International Atomic Energy
Agency for 20 years.
Are you denying that the -- that Iran
ever lied to the IAEA?
HOSSEIN SHARIATMADARI
(through translator): The accusations are made by the
agency. They are made by Western diplomats. It's a lie that
there has been a breach or a failure. We have done
everything legally.
Economic
sanctions
MARGARET WARNER: That bravado is not universal. Some here
are well aware of the risk of economic sanctions or U.S.
military action.
Iran has a lot to lose in either case.
Iran is no Afghanistan. Its booming oil revenues support a
wealthy lifestyle for some and a middle-class existence for
many others. Longstanding U.S. sanctions have generated
strong economic links to Europe Europe, Asia and the Gulf.
But tensions over Iran's nuclear
program are already hurting carpet dealer Mehrdad
Ghazvinian's business. He didn't sell one carpet during the
entire month of August.
MEHRDAD GHAZVINIAN, Carpet Dealer:
They talk about destroying -- you know, they want to destroy
Israel. You know, they want -- this is -- this kind of
thing, people, they heard a lot in other country, and people
are worried about this. So, why they come to Iran? They go
to Turkey. They go to another country, not here. A lot of
country, they can go there. They spend their money there.
MARGARET WARNER: Higher-end
businessmen are also feeling the pinch. Bijan Khajehpour
heads a consulting firm that advises foreign companies
investing in Iran.
BIJAN KHAJEHPOUR, Business
Consultant: There are some investors who are very wary about
political risk, about issues such as potential sanctions in
the future, and those -- that category is definitely not
very engaged in Iran.
MARGARET WARNER: We caught up with
Khajehpour at a Tehran conference of Iranians and Europeans,
sponsored by multinational giants like Shell Oil and Total.
The topic was Iran and the global community. But the nuclear
standoff dominated. As the discussion grew heated, Deputy
Foreign Minister Reza Sheik Attar played the oil card.
ALI-REZA SHEIKH ATTAR, Iranian Deputy
Foreign Minister (through translator): Iran is not a country
that you can sanction without there being side effects. All
the northern coastal areas, the southern coastal areas, the
Straits of Hormuz, are under Iranian control. And the recent
military maneuvers have shown that Iran has a great degree
of flexibility of movement.
MARGARET WARNER: That threat brought a
sharp retort from Rosemary Hollis, research director of the
British think tank Chatham House. It was blunter than is
customarily heard in political circles in Tehran.
ROSEMARY HOLLIS, Research Director,
Chatham House: I think, if Iran wants a confrontation, there
is one to be had. I would not be as relaxed as some of you
gentlemen that there's no possibility of an attack on Iran.
I think, if you really want one, you will get one.
MARGARET WARNER: Instead of trying to
out-threaten Washington, she said, Iran should concentrate
on convincing the world that its nuclear program is
peaceful.
Some well-placed Tehranis told us that
they think the Iranian government is becoming way too cocky
in its approach to the nuclear issue. It's the kind of
overblown confidence, they said, that could lead to a
dangerous miscalculation.
That confidence was on display at
President Ahmadinejad's press conference last week, when he
challenged President Bush to a debate, and dismissed the
threat of sanctions.
MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD (through
translator): Our economy is self-sufficient. The Iranian
nation is strong. We furnish almost all our needs. A nation
that, empty-handedly, can create a complete nuclear fuel
cycle is capable of handling other problems as well.
U.S.
military action
MARGARET WARNER: A similar tone prevailed during a
weekend visit by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
The regime didn't give an inch, saying, Iran wanted
to negotiate, but without any preconditions.
For all the tough talk from
the top, on the fringes, some are trying to promote
a face-saving compromise. One proposal would see a
freeze on industrial-scale enrichment, but allow a
small pilot program. That's advocated by reformist
parliamentarian Kazem Jalali.
KAZEM JALALI, Iranian
Parliamentarian (through translator): I think that
this is a logical option, and somehow its steering
the middle course. We are talking about a win-win
situation. And the only way to get that win-win
situation is this option.
MARGARET WARNER: But Jalali
admits he has no idea if the Ahmadinejad government
would go for it. His target, he said, is the supreme
leader, Ayatollah Khamenei.
KAZEM JALALI (through
translator): It is the leader that has to endorse
our nuclear positions and policies. We will be able
to provide technical advice and information to the
leader. And, ultimately, the decision will be his.
MARGARET WARNER: So, the
internal struggle for consensus is under way, on one
side, reformists inside government, like Jalali, and
their supporters, like newspaper publisher Atrianfar,
who are concerned about the consequences if a
compromise with the West isn't found.
Are you afraid that the United
States will attack Iran?
MOHAMMAD ATRIANFAR (through
translator): Yes, the concern is really there.
Usually, the intellectuals here and those in
authority take that quite seriously. The Iranian
elite and intellectuals are constantly recommending
to the authorities that their policies should be
aiming at peaceful ends.
MARGARET WARNER: On the other
side, government hard-liners, and those close to
them, like newspaper editor Shariatmadari. He
dismisses the prospect of a U.S. attack.
HOSSEIN SHARIATMADARI (through
translator): We hear from certain American
authorities that they have targeted certain
sensitive areas. We are prepared for a war. And, if
Americans decide to do that, the beginning of the
war may be to their benefit.
MARGARET WARNER: Meaning?
HOSSEIN SHARIATMADARI (through
translator): First of all, the Americans are all
around us, on the west side and the east. There are
many sensitive areas we can reach. Our people have
been wishing for many years to have a confrontation
with the Israelis. This will give them an
opportunity.
MARGARET WARNER: It's a
struggle that's familiar to Americans who dealt with
revolutionary Iran, between the hard-liners and the
so-called moderates. The challenge is, as always, to
understand what is coming next from this
multilayered and ultimately unknowable country that
is the Islamic Republic of Iran. |
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